All over.

[thallon]

Britain and USA make up.

oil well sealed, as good as.

30 millions whatevers of oil just washed away in the ocean,

only a few pelicans were greasy,

What were we all worried about?

I still say USA should have nuked the hole when it started,
then the BP fellow could have got his life back sooner.

[Debbie]

The area the spill was coming from was right on the new madrid fault line, nuking it probably would have caused one heck of a earthquake.

[FaithfulServant]

I find your cavalier attitude disturbing. This isn't "all over." There are gigantic plumes of oil congealed by toxic chemicals at the bottom of the gulf. Shores are getting slammed with millions of dead fish along the gulf and the east coast. What happens when a major hurricane sweeps over the toxic waters of the gulf and brings that poison ashore remains to be seen. May God have mercy upon the people on the gulf coast.

God's judgments are righteous, and we are not make a joke of them. He certainly has no pleasure in bringing judgment upon people.

[Andra Brack]

Can we really say with certainty that this is a specific judgment of God, or the result of prideful man and his sin? I firmly do not believe that we can.

Man-made things will break. Period. It doesn't matter if the inventor is a believer or a non-believer, of if the intentions were pure or not pure. Man is not the perfect creator, although his creations come from being made in the image of God. All man-made things eventually wear out or break. Why then is it a suprise or a specific judgment of God when they do?

Is there scriptural background that we see God breaking something man has made for the single purpose of judgment without a very clear message? The first few verses of Luke 13 suggest, as here, that the people of BP or of those in the areas where the oil might surface are no worse sinners than anyone else. Jesus says that it is but an example that the same fate will come to all who do not repent - that is, death (spiritual). These things should serve to remind us to continue to remind us put our trust in the Lord Jesus and not in man-made things. It should serve as a reminder that we live in a fallen world and that all of creation groans because of that.

It is a sad thing that happened, but it is no different biblically than a car blowing a tire at high speed and someone being killed. Or someone dying from taking an accidental overdose of a drug, or building catching fire due to faulty wiring and killing many people, etc. There are all tragic things. Things caused by man's inability to create the perfect, but they are not a specific judgment by the hand of God.

In Jesus alone,
Andra

[N5527L]

but they are not a specific judgment by the hand of God.

True. It's overreacting to declare every single thing as some sort of "something" related to Bible Prophecy.

[rockytopva]

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. -Rev 6:6


In my opinion this will cause the world to be more careful about its oil. So it is indeed bible prophecy.

[Andra Brack]

rocky

You said: And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. -Rev 6:6

In my opinion this will cause the world to be more careful about its oil. So it is indeed bible prophecy.


Me: The oil spoken of in the verse here is speaking of the oil from olives. There are 39 verses that use both the term wine and oil. Most of them are from the Old Testament and they are first used together as part of the sacrificial system, so we need to keep that in mind. It is also always used in context along with other items of nourishment, like wine, flour, wheat, etc.

In all cases where the word translated as oil is used in the New Testament, it it also must be referring to olive oil. It is used either in connection with wine or wheat or is poured into wounds or a head is annoited with it.

I hardly think that you would say that the word would mean what we call crude oil. It would be scripture twisting to say that the English word "oil" in Rev 6:6 here is speaking of crude oil. There is just no scriptural basis for that. It is simply just a matter of semantics when someone started calling crude oil, by the word "oil". It just does not fit into what the Word defines as the substance called oil in Rev 6, or anywhere else in scripture.

Also, if you are a student of human nature, and the Word, you will soon find that this unfortunate accident will have no lasting effect on the use of crude oil. In general, people will simply forget about it after the next crises comes along. And God's Word also makes that clear too. We are just dumb sheep led either by the prince of this world, or to those who have come to faith, by the Good Shepherd. But led we are.

In Jesus alone,
Andra

[rockytopva]

Andra:

Please remember that the bible is a book of metaphors... Or parables in the King James. The metaphor of the Black Horseman speaks of economical things, especially since the horseman had a pair of balances in hand. The fuel of modern times is crude oil. When Bush Sr liberated Kuwait the flow of crude oil meant for prosperous times during the Clinton administration. The times of the black horseman have drove up the price of crude and thus the economical impacts have also been felt.

"These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;" -Rev 2:1

If these were just seven churches in modern day Turkey what the significance? If the seven stars were seven angels in heaven what the significance? There are beautiful and powerful meanings behind these metaphors that have sadly been picked up by few! In that the bible is a book of metaphors also allows so many sermons (and doctrines) flowing from one book!

[FaithfulServant]

God is sovereign, and His dominion is everlasting. He is in control of everything, and if you cannot discern the signs that are before us, allow me to discern for you: Judgment is here.

Months back, a few weeks after the Chile' quake hit, the LORD gave me a message to share on the various forums I go to. The message was simple: I will pour out My wrath and shake this world.

I shared this message at around 6am. By 9am three more 6+ earthquakes hit Chile' rocking them weeks after the original quake that already hit. The point of the message, as I discern it, is that this is not a dress-rehearsal. Things are spiraling down to a point in time in which Jesus will be revealed. My feeling is we're talking a decade or two at the most, but more than likely a matter of years. In other words, this is not a drill.

The problem is man is arrogant and self-centered, not God-centered. God is longsuffering, and merciful, and so as these things will continue to unfold slowly until the grand finale'. Most people will continue on in their state of denial until the Lord comes upon them as a thief in the night. We as Christians should be more aware, however.

Discerning the signs of the times is crucial, as we need to be awake (full of His Holy Spirit) when the time for His arrival is here. So, stay away (stay close to the LORD).

[rockytopva]

Words well said my friend.